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David Jakes is allowing me to take his Thursday posting this week to continue the conversation I started last week about blogs.

Last week’s post has resulted in some comments that have allowed me to continue my own thinking on blogs. The post has also allowed the conversation to extend in many different directions. Both Cheryl Oakes and Diane Quirk left comments stating they were going to share the post with others. Therefore, the conversation started on this blog, has now started conversations elsewhere, both in the blogosphere and outside of it. This blog post is an example of how blogs can extend our learning, our understanding, and our thinking to a completely new level.

This whole idea has me thinking on the image I created last week… and changing it.

v1:

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In the new version of Blogs as Conversations, I have replaced the word classroom with P2P, meaning Peer-to-Peer or Person-to-Person. When we blog, whether it is in the classroom or not, the conversations are carried on in other forms. These conversations can happen at a staff meeting, in the classroom, or over dinner last night with my wife. Once you start to blog and that information/thought/conversation becomes public, we allow the conversation to move in multiple directions, thus creating an atmosphere of continual learning. My first image was wrong because I was not including parents, community members, or other students/bloggers from around the world. The conversation expands into face-to-face conversations. I guess that is what I was trying to say in last week’s post; by bringing the conversation back into the classroom you engage in a P2P conversation.

Shaun left a comment that gets to the heart of commenting on blogs:

Blogging allows for your audience to actually respond to you, if you choose--then it could become a conversation. All too often comments are simply things like "great post," or "I disagree..." But they do not take the time to develop a counter idea. They do not extend the conversation.

I agree with Shaun and believe there is a difference between commenting and complimenting. I talk about this with my classes. A compliment is nice, but it does not carry on a conversation. A comment extends a conversation. In each new class that I start blogging with, we spend one whole class period talking about the difference between a compliment and a comment. I make my students read Vicki Davis’ post Comment like a King or a Queen. We discuss the meaning of a comment and whenever there is a good comment left, we talk about it in the classroom.

This also leads to Thomas’s point about blogs:

My favorite small thing about blogs, or comments, is the fact they will stay and be archived. We can look back at the blogs from August in June reflect with one click. I don't know of many notebooks that last more than a semester, let alone a month with some students. And I know of few teachers that have enough space to keep every writing assignments a student completes throughout the year. But the blogs solves both of those issues.

My link to Vicki’s post is a perfect example. I know exactly where that post is because it is archived on her blog. We can archive conversations to come back to, or even to use for next year.

Of course, there really is not a problem with blogs. The problem is we are trying to fit a conversation into a space that was never designed to hold such conversations. Diane Quirk says it best in her comment last week:

We're still trying to fit 21st century tools into 20th century instruction without changing our pedagogy or recognizing the fact that the audience makes the difference.

If I could remix Diane’s comment, just a bit:

We are still trying to fit 21st century conversations into 20th century instruction without changing our pedagogy or recognizing the fact that the audience makes the difference.

And that my friends, is the problem with blogs.

Thanks for the conversation!

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I appreciate this series of blog posts, Jeff, as I have been doing more thinking about the conversations empowered by blogs as well. I'm sharing some workshops with a higher education audience in San Antonio next week, and I've been thinking about how blogs are SUCH a different communication experience than F2F or threaded online discussion forums. One of the problems with blogs is that the conversations can be hard to follow and are non-linear, but calling this a "problem" may reveal more of my own bias due to prior experiences. I feel like I often jump into and out of conversations in the blogosphere, but often the conversations are with people I've never met in person and certainly wouldn't have been able to converse with if blogs weren't in the equation. I'd like to see more tools that help connect conversation threads. Tags and technorati can do this to an extent, but things are still disjointed. I'm wondering if others have similar feelings and experiences with blogosphere conversations?

Posted by: Wesley Fryer | March 23, 2007 5:57 AM

I agree with Wesley that it would be nice to see more tools to bring blogs together a little more. A repository of blog entries based on their category, etc. Is there something like this?

Posted by: Scott Meech | March 23, 2007 2:51 PM

Wes,

I know exactly what you are talking about. I have found myself subscribing to more RSS feeds from technorati rather than blogs to try and follow a conversation. The problem is there is no standard tag format. For example school2.0 and school 2.0 don't come in the same feed and those conversations can become disjointed.

Blogs are a different conversation, they allow us not only to follow a conversation forward, but to follow it backwards as well. Something that before digital media was difficult.

The ability to connect with others that you have never met is even more important when you are half a world away in a city of 20 million people where you feel like you are the only one shouting from the top of the building. Blogs have given me that personal connection to other bloggers who think the same way I do and help me to expand my thinking and push me to continue to think and learn. It is because of the blogosphere that I've become a much better educator.

Posted by: Jeff Utecht | March 23, 2007 2:53 PM

Yes, I think the conversation again takes this important subject to the next level. Effective blog conversations are enabled by two things: tagging and pinging. And technorati seems to be the best repository now.

There are just so many blogs out there, that the tags in technorati (by making a watchlist) have become my best friend.

Blogs are changing things but interestingly I find that I am changing how I read blogs continually!

Great series, Jeff!

Posted by: Vicki Davis | March 24, 2007 1:12 AM

Nice discussion, Jeff,

I've got a stack of quarter 3 essays to grade, but have to add:

Wes' comment about the disjointedness of conversations nailed a moment I had two hours ago, when I commented on Patrick Higgins' "Chalkdust" blog a request that he cross-post onto my blog a conversation that he and I are having about the difference between students being "students" (doing homework) on blogs, v. being "writers" (finding their own ideas, style, voice) on blogs. The conversation started on my blog, extended in a nice direction in his; I commented on his, but (*blush*) want to post my comment AND Patrick's follow-up back to my own flow on my own blog. Wonderfully messy, messily wonderful.

One wish on my list is that blogging platforms provide the option that all comments will be displayed on the main blog page, under each post, rather than only be accessible by permalink.

I know that's not a full solution, but I think it would do more justice to the conversational essence of blogging. Right now, blogs privilege the blog-writer over the blog-replier. That just ain't fittin'.

Posted by: Clay Burell | March 24, 2007 2:30 AM

Great conversation, everyone. Clay, your comment really gets at the deep contextuality and inherent linkages of a blog-based discussion. Ripples going out in every direction. . .

To Clay's wish list, I'd add functionality that allows a commenter to tag his/her comment and continue the cycle of meaning-making.

Aside from helping to manage the "disjointedness," I've also been wondering recently about whether we need a remix of Bloom's Taxonomy to help us gauge the kinds and qualities of conversations happening at the comment level. "Bloom's Folksonomy" would be a misnomer, but you get the idea.

Posted by: Scott Schwister | March 26, 2007 8:26 PM

Perhaps an update to Bloom's would help us to craft a common language to discuss blogging skills and how to evaluate them,but only until the next evolutionary change comes around to challenge us again. I think the one big thing I've learned from participating in blogs and other forms of social networking is that I can't possibly feel as though any conversation is complete or all-inclusive. This feelings was scary at first but now I've come to embrace it as a new freedom to communicate as little or as much as I choose and take in as much as I am able to at the moment. Sort of like a personal fire hose I can adjust to a trickle or a flood. I think younger learners understand this variable intuitively and are much more comfortable with the uncertainties it produces than we teachers generally are.

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